[Silly Little Cars] New 2009 California 3 wheel motorcycle laws
Bob Gallagher
usn at comcast.net
Thu Aug 20 10:58:52 PDT 2009
How about a guy like me who takes the top off in summer and puts it back on in winter. Gotta re-register every time from car/mc/car/mc/etc.
Fortunately I live in Oregon.
Unfortunately California's goofy laws seem to migrate north.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Das Mann
To: Silly Little Email List
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Silly Little Cars] New 2009 California 3 wheel motorcycle laws
the problem with this assessment is weather they choose to keep the non motorcycle classification for cushmans and interceptors after they leave public service. it is really a matter of interpretation, but i dont think the intention is for these vehicles to be considered motorcycles any more. actually, after reading these new laws, i am convinced that fully enclosed 3 wheel vehicles are now definitely considered cars and not motorcycles, but can be used in hov lanes. i believe, as i think the nice people in sacramento believe, that the new law is designed to make these cars in this state. this means that they must be taken to the referee station to get permanent smog exemption. this does not mean that there are some dmv agents who will do the motorcycle change over, but i think this will become harder as time goes on and will actually make some of us go through way more hassle. my suggestion is to just go get the exemption and be done with the thing.
- dan das mann
www.headlesspoint.com
www.dandasmann.com
www.thebigartexperience.com
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Simon Barber <simon at superduper.net> wrote:
Hi Jack,
Let me know what you find. I went to the DMV website and found 1 thing - Assembly Bill 2272 by Fuentes changes a few things about 3 wheeled motorcycles. See this link @ DMV:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/newsrel/newsrel08/2008-37.htm
An analysis of the bill is here:
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2272_cfa_20080624_140808_sen_floor.html
The actual section of the California Vehicle Code that is changed is here:
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2272_bill_20080221_introduced.html
The good news is that if this is the only way the law has changed then we can still register our Interceptors as motorcycles. Infact we have to! It allows us to use HOV lanes we couldn't use before. His analysis also clarifies a few things - you do need a seatbelt, and don't need a helmet. It's pretty clear this law change was prompted by the Aptera electric car - to allow them to use HOV lanes - it also removed the weight limit that they are going to bust.
Simon
GT350Jack at aol.com wrote:
Hi Simon,
By Thursday of this week I should know if I have gotten all the correct information. That is when I have another DMV appointment to complete the reg process on my Interceptor. I will let you know when I have completed the process.
Jack
In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:52:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, simon at superduper.net writes:
Hi Jack,
Dan tells me you got some information that the 3 wheeled vehicles in
California are no longer motorcycles this year - where did you get
the
info and what exactly did you find out? This has big implication
for all
us Cushman and Interceptor owners, and I have a reservation for a 3
wheeled electric vehicle (The Aptera) - this change would be very
significant for these (it would mean they are eligible for federal
tax
rebates, but would have to meet auto standards).
Simon
Dan Das Mann wrote:
> GT350Jack at aol.com <mailto:GT350Jack at aol.com>
> - dan das mann
> www.headlesspoint.com <http://www.headlesspoint.com>
> www.dandasmann.com <http://www.dandasmann.com>
> www.thebigartexperience.com <http://www.thebigartexperience.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Simon Barber <simon at superduper.net
> <mailto:simon at superduper.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Can you send me Jack's email or phone no - I'd like to check the
> source of his information. This would have big implications for
> things like the Aptera 3 wheel electric car I'm waiting for. (It
> would allow it to qualify for an electric vehicle rebate, but
> would require they manufacture and test it to auto standards -
> which they were avoiding).
>
> Simon
>
>
> Dan Das Mann wrote:
>
> this conversation actually uncovers an important issue.
as is
> turns out, starting the first of THIS year, all enclosed 3
> wheel vehicles are now classified as automobile rather than
> motorcycle. this is why we have had so many registration
> problems. as you may know, it is not possible to smog our
> little "cars" because they have no code in the computer
to do
> this. they must be taken to the referee station to be given
> permanent smog exemption. after that you can do a
regular reg.
> there are still some ways to get the motorcycle reg but
> ultimately the law has changed and it is really just a
matter
> of time before they will make us do the change. my
friend jack
> schroll spent a few days on the phone and finally
cracked the
> code as to why we have been having so many problems. just
> though you all might want to know.
> - dan das mann
> www.headlesspoint.com <http://www.headlesspoint.com>
> <http://www.headlesspoint.com>
> www.dandasmann.com <http://www.dandasmann.com>
> <http://www.dandasmann.com>
> www.thebigartexperience.com
> <http://www.thebigartexperience.com>
> <http://www.thebigartexperience.com>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Simon Barber
> <simon at superduper.net <mailto:simon at superduper.net>
> <mailto:simon at superduper.net <mailto:simon at superduper.net>>>
> wrote:
>
> The MC license thing may be the key to getting reasonable
> insurance. Definitely let us know how Cody's test
goes!!! I
> acutally have a motorcycle license but it's English -
Gieco
> specifically wanted a US one.
>
>
> Simon
>
> C y b e r sAM wrote:
>
> my signing rep is no longer there. I signed up
before AIG
> bought them so things could be different now, but
I do get
> motorcylce towing as a service that is included
with my
> $100+/year motorcycle policy. Cushmans have a
good safety
> record believe it or not (according to a guy who
worked for
> the Cushman Manufacturer for years). 21st did
ask me if I
> had a motorcycle license, but it was my
impression that
> i did
> not need it to sign up at the time. I happened
to have a
> motorcycle license and they insure motorcycles,
and you
> gotta
> believe that it is safer than a real
motorcycle. I think
> that the tricky thing is getting motorcycle insurance
> without
> a motorcycle license. I can see how this might not
> jive on paper.
>
> Cody is going to be the first to try and take his
> motorcycle
> driving test on a cushman. That will be
interesting if
> they
> let him.
>
> I do recommend getting your motorcycle license. I was
> at the
> DMV once and I knew I was going to be there a
while waiting
> for my number to come up, so I took the written
test while
> waiting. I read the book for about 6 minutes. They
> let you
> take it 3 times in the same visit, and the third
time I
> passed. Then I borrowed a friend's motorcycle to
do the
> driving test. It was a fun challenge. I have
not rode a 2
> wheeled motorcycle since. I prefer three wheels
and three
> cylinders.
>
>
> sAM
>
>
>
>
> Simon Barber wrote:
>
> Insurance - who do you call at 21st century, and
> what do
> you say to them?
>
> Simon
>
>
> C y b e r sAM wrote:
>
> 21st century/AIG insurance policy also
includes
> motorcycle towing. Alec, don't you have
coverage
> through them? You referred me to them.
>
>
> sAM
>
> cyrus forootan wrote:
>
> When my drive line went out on that
cushman
> crawl
> awhile back, we used gravity (down
little hill)
> with CC Rider Tow to get it in his truck.
> is that
> possible in your situation?
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Alec Bennett
> <wrybread at gmail.com
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>>>
>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Alec Bennett
<wrybread at gmail.com
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>>>
>
> Subject: Re: [Silly Little Cars] San
> Francisco
> tow for a Cushman?
> To: "Silly Little Email List"
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> Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009,
6:10 PM
> So you called AAA and got a tow
through
> them?
>
> I thought didn't handle
> Cushman/Interceptors?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM,
> Mike Aisenfeld <maisenfeld at yahoo.com
> <mailto:maisenfeld at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:maisenfeld at yahoo.com
> <mailto:maisenfeld at yahoo.com>>>
>
> wrote:
>
> That
> sucks Wry. I had to use a
flatbed when my
> control arm
> snapped. AAA covered it.
>
>
> From:
> Alec Bennett <wrybread at gmail.com
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com
> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>>>
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> To:
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> Sent:
> Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:55:05 PM
>
> Subject:
> [Silly Little Cars] San Francisco
tow for a
> Cushman?
>
>
> I just had my first major
breakdown... Was
> driving up
> Bernal Hill, very steel section, hit
> the top
> and started
> getting a clunking noise. Pulled
over,
> drive
> shaft still
> working. Drove a little farther
to test
> and it
> was clunking
> about once every wheel revolution, I
> thought
> maybe the
> brakes were sticking. Then the
drive train
> completely
> failed, no more engine reaching
the rear
> wheels. I think its
> the differential. Was in a rush
so had to
> leave the car
> there.
>
>
>
> Anyway, wondering if anyone knows
of a good
> tow in SF for a
> Cushman? I usually use CC Rider
but they
> require me to drive
> up onto their ramp, which I can't do
> now. I'm
> thinking flatbed.
>
>
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