[Silly Little Cars] New 2009 California 3 wheel motorcycle laws
Dan Das Mann
dandasmann at gmail.com
Thu Aug 20 10:47:22 PDT 2009
the problem with this assessment is weather they choose to keep the non
motorcycle classification for cushmans and interceptors after they leave
public service. it is really a matter of interpretation, but i dont think
the intention is for these vehicles to be considered motorcycles any more.
actually, after reading these new laws, i am convinced that fully enclosed 3
wheel vehicles are now *definitely* considered cars and not motorcycles, but
can be used in hov lanes. i believe, as i think the nice people in
sacramento believe, that the new law is designed to make these *cars* in
this state. this means that they must be taken to the referee station to get
permanent smog exemption. this does not mean that there are some dmv agents
who will do the motorcycle change over, but i think this will become harder
as time goes on and will actually make some of us go through way more
hassle. my suggestion is to just go get the exemption and be done with the
thing.
- dan das mann
www.headlesspoint.com
www.dandasmann.com
www.thebigartexperience.com
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Simon Barber <simon at superduper.net> wrote:
> Hi Jack,
>
> Let me know what you find. I went to the DMV website and found 1 thing -
> Assembly Bill 2272 by Fuentes changes a few things about 3 wheeled
> motorcycles. See this link @ DMV:
>
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/newsrel/newsrel08/2008-37.htm
>
> An analysis of the bill is here:
>
> http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2272_cfa_20080624_140808_sen_floor.html
>
> The actual section of the California Vehicle Code that is changed is here:
>
> http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2272_bill_20080221_introduced.html
>
> The good news is that if this is the only way the law has changed then we
> can still register our Interceptors as motorcycles. Infact we have to! It
> allows us to use HOV lanes we couldn't use before. His analysis also
> clarifies a few things - you do need a seatbelt, and don't need a helmet.
> It's pretty clear this law change was prompted by the Aptera electric car -
> to allow them to use HOV lanes - it also removed the weight limit that they
> are going to bust.
>
> Simon
>
>
> GT350Jack at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>> By Thursday of this week I should know if I have gotten all the correct
>> information. That is when I have another DMV appointment to complete the reg
>> process on my Interceptor. I will let you know when I have completed the
>> process.
>> Jack
>> In a message dated 8/18/2009 8:52:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> simon at superduper.net writes:
>>
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> Dan tells me you got some information that the 3 wheeled vehicles in
>> California are no longer motorcycles this year - where did you get
>> the
>> info and what exactly did you find out? This has big implication
>> for all
>> us Cushman and Interceptor owners, and I have a reservation for a 3
>> wheeled electric vehicle (The Aptera) - this change would be very
>> significant for these (it would mean they are eligible for federal
>> tax
>> rebates, but would have to meet auto standards).
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Dan Das Mann wrote:
>> > GT350Jack at aol.com <mailto:GT350Jack at aol.com>
>> > - dan das mann
>> > www.headlesspoint.com <http://www.headlesspoint.com>
>> > www.dandasmann.com <http://www.dandasmann.com>
>> > www.thebigartexperience.com <http://www.thebigartexperience.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Simon Barber <simon at superduper.net
>> > <mailto:simon at superduper.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Dan,
>> >
>> > Can you send me Jack's email or phone no - I'd like to check the
>> > source of his information. This would have big implications for
>> > things like the Aptera 3 wheel electric car I'm waiting for. (It
>> > would allow it to qualify for an electric vehicle rebate, but
>> > would require they manufacture and test it to auto standards -
>> > which they were avoiding).
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> >
>> > Dan Das Mann wrote:
>> >
>> > this conversation actually uncovers an important issue.
>> as is
>> > turns out, starting the first of THIS year, all enclosed 3
>> > wheel vehicles are now classified as automobile rather than
>> > motorcycle. this is why we have had so many registration
>> > problems. as you may know, it is not possible to smog our
>> > little "cars" because they have no code in the computer
>> to do
>> > this. they must be taken to the referee station to be given
>> > permanent smog exemption. after that you can do a
>> regular reg.
>> > there are still some ways to get the motorcycle reg but
>> > ultimately the law has changed and it is really just a
>> matter
>> > of time before they will make us do the change. my
>> friend jack
>> > schroll spent a few days on the phone and finally
>> cracked the
>> > code as to why we have been having so many problems. just
>> > though you all might want to know.
>> > - dan das mann
>> > www.headlesspoint.com <http://www.headlesspoint.com>
>> > <http://www.headlesspoint.com>
>> > www.dandasmann.com <http://www.dandasmann.com>
>> > <http://www.dandasmann.com>
>> > www.thebigartexperience.com
>> > <http://www.thebigartexperience.com>
>> > <http://www.thebigartexperience.com>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Simon Barber
>> > <simon at superduper.net <mailto:simon at superduper.net>
>> > <mailto:simon at superduper.net <mailto:simon at superduper.net>>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > The MC license thing may be the key to getting reasonable
>> > insurance. Definitely let us know how Cody's test
>> goes!!! I
>> > acutally have a motorcycle license but it's English -
>> Gieco
>> > specifically wanted a US one.
>> >
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> > C y b e r sAM wrote:
>> >
>> > my signing rep is no longer there. I signed up
>> before AIG
>> > bought them so things could be different now, but
>> I do get
>> > motorcylce towing as a service that is included
>> with my
>> > $100+/year motorcycle policy. Cushmans have a
>> good safety
>> > record believe it or not (according to a guy who
>> worked for
>> > the Cushman Manufacturer for years). 21st did
>> ask me if I
>> > had a motorcycle license, but it was my
>> impression that
>> > i did
>> > not need it to sign up at the time. I happened
>> to have a
>> > motorcycle license and they insure motorcycles,
>> and you
>> > gotta
>> > believe that it is safer than a real
>> motorcycle. I think
>> > that the tricky thing is getting motorcycle insurance
>> > without
>> > a motorcycle license. I can see how this might not
>> > jive on paper.
>> >
>> > Cody is going to be the first to try and take his
>> > motorcycle
>> > driving test on a cushman. That will be
>> interesting if
>> > they
>> > let him.
>> >
>> > I do recommend getting your motorcycle license. I
>> was
>> > at the
>> > DMV once and I knew I was going to be there a
>> while waiting
>> > for my number to come up, so I took the written
>> test while
>> > waiting. I read the book for about 6 minutes. They
>> > let you
>> > take it 3 times in the same visit, and the third
>> time I
>> > passed. Then I borrowed a friend's motorcycle to
>> do the
>> > driving test. It was a fun challenge. I have
>> not rode a 2
>> > wheeled motorcycle since. I prefer three wheels
>> and three
>> > cylinders.
>> >
>> >
>> > sAM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Simon Barber wrote:
>> >
>> > Insurance - who do you call at 21st century, and
>> > what do
>> > you say to them?
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> >
>> > C y b e r sAM wrote:
>> >
>> > 21st century/AIG insurance policy also
>> includes
>> > motorcycle towing. Alec, don't you have
>> coverage
>> > through them? You referred me to them.
>> >
>> >
>> > sAM
>> >
>> > cyrus forootan wrote:
>> >
>> > When my drive line went out on that
>> cushman
>> > crawl
>> > awhile back, we used gravity (down
>> little hill)
>> > with CC Rider Tow to get it in his truck.
>> > is that
>> > possible in your situation?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Alec Bennett
>> > <wrybread at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com> <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>>>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > From:
>> Alec Bennett
>> <wrybread at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>>>
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Silly Little Cars] San
>> > Francisco
>> > tow for a Cushman?
>> > To: "Silly Little Email List"
>> > > <
>> silly_little_cars at lists.sillylittlecars.com
>> > <mailto:silly_little_cars at lists.sillylittlecars.com>
>> > > <mailto:
>> silly_little_cars at lists.sillylittlecars.com
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>> >
>> > Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009,
>> 6:10 PM
>> > So you called AAA and got a tow
>> through
>> > them?
>> >
>> > I thought didn't handle
>> > Cushman/Interceptors?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM,
>> > Mike Aisenfeld <maisenfeld at yahoo.com
>> > <mailto:maisenfeld at yahoo.com>
>> > <mailto:maisenfeld at yahoo.com
>> > <mailto:maisenfeld at yahoo.com>>>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > That
>> > sucks Wry. I had to use a
>> flatbed when my
>> > control arm
>> > snapped. AAA covered it.
>> >
>> >
>> > From:
>> > Alec Bennett <wrybread at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:wrybread at gmail.com>>>
>> >
>> > To:
>> sillylittlecars at sillylittlecars.com
>> > <mailto:sillylittlecars at sillylittlecars.com>
>> > > <mailto:
>> sillylittlecars at sillylittlecars.com
>> > <mailto:sillylittlecars at sillylittlecars.com>>
>> >
>> > Sent:
>> > Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:55:05 PM
>> >
>> > Subject:
>> > [Silly Little Cars] San Francisco
>> tow for a
>> > Cushman?
>> >
>> >
>> > I just had my first major
>> breakdown... Was
>> > driving up
>> > Bernal Hill, very steel section, hit
>> > the top
>> > and started
>> > getting a clunking noise. Pulled
>> over,
>> > drive
>> > shaft still
>> > working. Drove a little farther
>> to test
>> > and it
>> > was clunking
>> > about once every wheel revolution, I
>> > thought
>> > maybe the
>> > brakes were sticking. Then the
>> drive train
>> > completely
>> > failed, no more engine reaching
>> the rear
>> > wheels. I think its
>> > the differential. Was in a rush
>> so had to
>> > leave the car
>> > there.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway, wondering if anyone knows
>> of a good
>> > tow in SF for a
>> > Cushman? I usually use CC Rider
>> but they
>> > require me to drive
>> > up onto their ramp, which I can't do
>> > now. I'm
>> > thinking flatbed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
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