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<DIV>Bruce,</DIV>
<DIV>I’ve looked at the pix again.</DIV>
<DIV>Then, I looked at the parts manual on here:</DIV>
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<DIV>You’re absolutely correct, there is no spring on the shock.</DIV>
<DIV>That said, it looks like the suspension is a torsional type setup, using 4
rubber rods on each side at the front mounting brackets of the swing arm.</DIV>
<DIV>So, I sent an e-mail to Westward in hopes of an answer too. I’ll keep you
informed.</DIV>
<DIV>First, check the both front mounts for the rubber rods and their
conditions. After all, we’re talking about 20 year old components.</DIV>
<DIV>If they are rotted/worn out, that could be why the shock is fully
compressed.</DIV>
<DIV>If need be, repair the mounts then look at replacing the shock.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now for the free advise. (Meaning it’s worth what you paid for it and is
your decision to make.)</DIV>
<DIV>Look long and hard at the parts manual pages dealing with the rear
suspension components so you know what your dealing with.</DIV>
<DIV>I’d leave the shock off and load the suspension system to reduce the space
between the shock mounting holes and measure the new spacing. Only load the
system to the point your comfortable with.</DIV>
<DIV>You don’t want to cause the rubber rods in the mounts to be damaged.</DIV>
<DIV>Now that you have the “loaded” dimension you can select a new shock. One
that fits the “loaded'” length with say a 1/2” to 1” more travel until it’s
fully compressed. Fully extended length could be any length that fits.
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<DIV>The idea here is that once the load is removed, the suspension will
“spring” back to it’s normal state. The shock will extent to the length it needs
to and then act as it should.</DIV>
<DIV>Hopefully you’ll find a shock that doesn’t require cutting and
drilling.</DIV>
<DIV>I hope this will be of some help.</DIV>
<DIV>Later,</DIV>
<DIV>Mike</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=brucemmoulton@gmail.com
href="mailto:brucemmoulton@gmail.com">Bruce Moulton</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 03, 2014 9:11 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Silly Little Cars] 93' GO-4 REAR
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<DIV dir=ltr>Mike,
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<DIV>Thanks! Will look forward to continued reply. Please note in the pix a
suspension bar just behind and below the bottom bracket. Also I have had two
different Mechanics (no knowledge of Go-4 but work on both Motorcycles and
cars,) tell me they can see no way that a spring could be or ever was installed
with this shock. I cannot make contact with anyone at Westward or White Bear
Sales so trying to find anyone with experience on this model seems very
doubtful. I have been holding back cutting for exactly the same reason, I would
like to understand first.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN></SPAN>Bruce<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:35 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>Just a quick response. </DIV>
<DIV>Take a look at some ATV rear setups.</DIV>
<DIV>I would NOT start cutting and drilling just yet.</DIV>
<DIV>Cause no matter the length of the shock, if the swingarm has enough
travel it will bottom out that shock too. </DIV>
<DIV>Be aware that the springs, spring cups and other hardware are sold (most
of the time) separate from the shock.</DIV>
<DIV>I’ll take a good long look at the pix tomorrow and get back to you.</DIV>
<DIV>I still think there should be a spring on that shock.</DIV>
<DIV>The shock in the pix have the adjustment stop on it for the spring cup to
sit on.</DIV>
<DIV>More to come later,</DIV>
<DIV>Mike </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=brucemmoulton@gmail.com
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 03, 2014 7:12 PM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Mike et al,
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<DIV>This is a 1993 Go-4 Model P-35 (the name "Interceptor" does not appear
anywhere on the vehicle documents incl. a sales brochure.) I now have several
places that seem to have a replacement for this apparently defective part that
was discontinued (Shock #7041218-T3123.) But it still begs the question
what just replacing it would change since it would be completely depressed
after install. Would seem more like a defective plan than a part. I have tried
to send a Google Drive Doc with pictures. Images 0028 thru 0032 show the shock
sitting inside the upper and lower installation brackets on the vehicle. The
rest of the pix show the empty brackets from different angles plus a couple of
shots of the shock. If you can't open them let me know and I'll figure another
way to send.
<DIV> </DIV>Please look at the bottom bracket. I have this idea that I
can cut it down about 2 inches and drill a new hole lower. Then I can install
a very nice heavy duty car shock that would not be compressed. Does that make
sense or does anyone have a better idea?
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:33 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>Bruce, </DIV>
<DIV>What Model is your GO-4?</DIV>
<DIV>Not just the year, but the model too. Ex: P-35, BT-57,
etc...</DIV>
<DIV>The rear suspension setup your describing sound like that common on
ATV’s or softtail Harleys.</DIV>
<DIV>A single shock centered on the swing arm back to the chassis. If that’s
the case then there most likely should be a spring on it to stop the shock
from bottoming out (full compression).</DIV>
<DIV>Pictures would help to get you the answers you need.</DIV>
<DIV>Also, someone on here with the same model maybe willing to shed some
light on the subject and take some pix of their setup.</DIV>
<DIV>The shock could be the same, only your ride takes just one.</DIV>
<DIV>I’d like to know the answer to this on too. Always wanting to learn
about these things.</DIV>
<DIV>Later,</DIV>
<DIV>Mike</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Silly Little Cars] 93' GO-4 REAR
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<DIV dir=ltr>Thanks for the information. Is there a way I can search this
list for the mentioned email? I guess my confusion is around the springs?
There is no spring anywhere around this shock and if it has been removed I
don't see how it would be possible to put one on. This single shock is
mounted vertically, is inside the motor housing, is attached only to the
frame and motor housing, is centered on the vehicle, is not part of a pair,
and seems that it can only be mounted fully compressed and thus it remains
fully compressed after mounting (it was fully compressed when I removed it.)
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<DIV>That is my second confusion: Why is it always fully compressed? I keep
thinking there is something wrong here but don't know what it is. Somehow I
think the shocks referred to aren't the same as this shock that is not part
of a pair.
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 5:22 AM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>Bruce,</DIV>
<DIV>I was referring to the rear also.</DIV>
<DIV>There was and e-mail from a member here that explained it.</DIV>
<DIV>That’s where I found out about the shocks. Found the number I ordered
too ( Brand: WSM Part # 60-321 )</DIV>
<DIV>The different rated springs I found out about from local ATV repair
shops. They are aftermarket for the ATV quys that want more or less
stiffness in the rear for jumps or racing applications.</DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps,</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Thanks for the replies. I'm not referring to the motorcycle
shocks on the front wheel. This is a single small shock in the rear just
behind the engine. It seems to be used to dampen the the engine movement
some from the frame. In order to install inside the present clamps it must
be completely compressed then bolted in the compressed state. I can't make
sense out of why this would be be but I can't get a replacement shock as
it is discontinued and nothing else fits in the clamps. Even if I could it
just seems wrong to me. Why would a shock be mounted compressed?
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<DIV>Bruce,</DIV>
<DIV>Does the 93 have springs over the shocks?</DIV>
<DIV>I know my 96 does.</DIV>
<DIV>The replacement shock for it, I believe, is the same as a Polaris
Sportsman 400L.</DIV>
<DIV>I think the springs are available in different stiffness and are
the same as the Polaris also.</DIV>
<DIV>Of course 2 are required for the Go-4’s. Oh, the shocks are
adjustable too.</DIV>
<DIV>My 96 is leaning to the right, so I’m going to replace both,
springs maybe.</DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps,</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>I noticed the rear shock in the engine compartment on my
93' was fully compressed so I took it out to replace. Of course it is
not made anymore but in trying to figure it out the shock itself seems
fine but is fully compressed when on the vehicle no matter if it were
new or not! It would seem like it would not work or do anything if
installed in compressed state. Does anybody know why? What would happen
if I cut the bottom clamp down a bit, drilled a new hole, and installed
a different shock than the original that was not compressed after
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